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i was skinny after the flu. not so skinny lately. >> what is the crest on the tie? >> st. george's royal college. >> you're fancy. >> it was a gift. >> don lemon, nice to see you. thank you, sir. so hi, everybody. ashleigh banfield. good to have you here this hour. president obama has a couple of dinner dates, lunch date, and they're all congressional. is that boring? no. the real question is it too little too late or is it coming right in the nick of time. plus a prestigious high school in new york slapped with a hazing scandal. three students charged with purchasing a violent sexual act on a younger member of the track team. and jodi arias back on on the stand today. believe it or not, she faced more than 150 questions coming straight from the jury deciding her fate. separation of powers is all well and good and the founding fathers sure thought it was a great idea, but apparently the

powers can be a little bit too separate these days. so after standoffs and showdowns and cliffs and budget cuts that were never supposed to happen, president obama and republicans in congress finally breaking down some walls by breaking bread. last night mr. obama treated a dozen republican senators to a pricey dinner at a d.c. hotel, paid for it out of his own pocket, i might add. today he's having paul ryan to a little luncheon at the white house. ryan's democratic counterpart on the house budget committee, chris van hollen, is also invited. and it all comes as the president's job approval ratings take a bit of a hit. and while republicans still get more of the blame than he does for the meat cleaver style spending cuts, make no mistake, this gap is narrowing. it is food for thought. that's kind of a don lemon thing.

food for thought. s very smart thinkers, the best political team in television, wolf blitzer and dana bash. so, dana, i have not even mentioned yet the president's plans to do and visited republicans on the hill next week. this seems like a real social outreach campaign and i didn't think it was going to go over as well as it seems to have gone over. >> it absolutely did. i talked to two republican senators who were at that dinner late last night afterwards. and both of them are pretty conservative and both were pretty overwhelmed by how positive it was. and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president

sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think to republicans, that the president is actually sincere in where he's coming from. i have a very unsophisticated word to describe this. duh. this is human relationships and it should have been happening for years and years. to understand each other, baseline of that, that has to happen before they can talk across party lines. >> wolf, didn't we have this conversation in 2009 and it had to do with beer and a beer summit and it was sitting down as regular people just like the picture shows you, trying to get over an impasse by just sitting down to either a good meal or a good beer? >> once you establish sort of direct human contact with the other side, in this case a political battle, obviously things will improve because you're not just fighting from

remote corners. you're actually talking to each other, you're having a meal, maybe a glass of wine, although we're told the president has iced tea. . he did pick up the tab. but it's only a matter of human nature if you start talking to each objection maybe things can improve. won't necessarily improve, in 201 1rks the president spent a lot of quality time with jop boehner, but in the end, they didn't work out a deal. and we all know what happened as a result. they warned of those forced spending cuts, no one thought it would really happen. but guess what, the sequester is now taking place. even as they meet for dinner at the jefferson hotel here in washington last night. so let's see if it moves forward. i am encouraged that the president invited paul ryan, chris van hollen, the democratic ranking member of the house budget committee over for lunch today. that's a nice follow up. and he will going up to the hill next week, meet are the republican and democratic leadership. so all this talking is good even

though the president has suggested only within the past few weeks maybe it wasn't all that signature. i think he's had a change of heart. >> dana bash, i was watching you on tv in the morning yesterday, afternoon and late into the evening as you were watching that dinner. but it was almost a split screen. senator rand paul was doing a for nam kno phenomenal job of a 13 hour speech. it was the real mccoy, this was real honest to goodness political argument. tell me about it. >> absolutely. he started out frankly surprising leaders in both parties by going to the floor at 11:47 a.m. yesterday saying he was going to wage a filibuster against john brennan because he wants to have a more direct answer from the attorney general about whether or not the administration believes it is okay that they have the authority to use drones on u.s. citizens on american soil. there's a difference of opinion

whether or not the administration, eric holder in particular, has actually answered that question. but to watch the way that this organically blew up on twitter and the internet and his republican colleagues who were really stand offish in the beginning, by midnight they were racing to the floor encouraged by conservatives and others on the internet. fascinating to watch. >> fascinating and lengthy. and we should just mention that john brennan, this is the cia directorship that he's awaiting clearance on. so it was good listening, good tv. wolf and dana, thank you very much. coastal flood warnings are in effect right now from the chesapeake bay up to portland, maine. 5 to 6 inches of snow is expected from new york to boston. it that same winter storm dumped enough wet snow in northern virginia for the governor there to declare a state of emergency. north korea threatening a

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three boys from a prestigious new york high school are facing hazing charges and now there are indications that staff members at bronx high

school of science may have known something about all of this. the boys who are members of the track team are accused of forcible touching, assault, hazing and harassment of a younger student. the 2-year-old son of a colorado family killed in mexico and the suspect, their baby-sitter's boyfriend. a tragic story where a family says the boyfriend entered the home, attacked the toddler and threw him in the pool to drown. both the sitter and the boyfriend face murder charges. jodi arias seemed to have an answer for just about everything yesterday. even if the answer was i don't remember. the accused murderer was peppered with question. in fact 156 of them. 156 questions all submitted by the jury that is sitting to judge her fate. and also asked by the judge. a bit of a filter there, not every single question that they wanted to ask was asked, but 156? all of this around thet brutal

killing of her boyfriend and her sordid sex life. much of will this testimony is extremely graphic. >> reporter: they started with a zinger. about the digital cam rat couple used to take naked pictures of each other right before the killing. >> why did you put the camera in the washer? >> i don't have memory of that. i don't know why i would do that. >> reporter: again, arias's memory fails her, preventing her from explaining why she put the camera in travis alexander's washing machine after she killed him. the camera contained pictures of alexander in the shower, including this one taken just two minutes before his death. photo time stamps put arias at alexander's house at the time of his death. and what about the gun? the state says she brought it with her to kill. but arias says it was alexander's gun, that she grabbed it from his closet shelf. >> how did you have time to get

the gun down if he was right behind you. >> i don't know if he was right behind me or not. i just had the sense that he was chasing after me. >> reporter: after she killed alexander, investigatorses say arias dragged his body through the house and put it in the shower. the jury wanted to know why. >> why did you place travis' body back in the shower? >> i could only speculate because i don't remember. >> reporter: nor could arias remember for the jury what she did with the clothes she was wearing when she killed alexander. or what she did with the knife used to stab him nearly 30 times and practically cut his head off. >> why is it that you have no memory of stabbing travis? >> i can't really explain why my mind did what it did. maybe because it's too horrible. >> reporter: the jury also wanted to know why arias didn't just run for help the day of the killing. >> it's hard to describe the

fear. it was like more toll mortal terror. >> reporter: she claims he physically and sexually abused her during their relationship. she said she killed him that day in self-defense. the jury wanted to know if she ever documented past abuse she's testified about. >> did you ever take pictures of yourself after he hit you? >> no, i did not. >> reporter: the jury had a lot of questions about the couple's sex life which included recordings of their phone sex played in court. jurors asked about specific events like when al lebs exande her to his bed. without flifrnl inching, she an every question never taking her eyes off the jury. >> did you ever voice any concerns to travis about being uncomfortable with some of his sexual fantasy? >> yes, there was one which was

pulling off on the side of a freeway exit and having sex on the hood of a car. and i told him that that would be impossible. >> reporter: the jury also wanted to know this. >> why would you continue to stay with someone who had sex with you while you were sleeping? >> in love with travis. i knew i was in love with him and my only concern was that i believed from a religious and spiritual perspective that our relationship would not be blessed if we acted that way. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, phoenix, arizona. >> your relationship might not be blessed if you kill him either. let's bring in vinnie politan and also glenda hatchet. judge, i love having you. >> thank you. >> so here is my first question. 156 questions? i've never ever seen a case where there's been more than say six or eight or ten jury questions. and even that's rare. >> that's very rare. we're talking two other states

other than arizona. i was just saying to vinnie, i was glued to the tv yesterday. i mean, i took all of these notes. debating whether it's best for the prosecution or defense, i think it's best for the prosecution on this. and i put them in three different buckets. one bucket is this doesn't seem reasonable. how could you have possibly done this. questions like why did you run to the closet, why didn't you run out of the house, why wasn't there disruption, why can't you remember this, why was it in the washing machine in, the camera. and then another set of questions that go to the kind of immoral question, almost moral indignation. did you read the doctrines of the church and what about your sex life with him and other people. and then a very small part of the questions i thought were we want to understand why you're like you are. who are you, lady? did your dad slap you?

what happened? >> can i throw another bucket at you? and this one is holy cow, do they know the details of this case. >> absolutely. >> they called a piece of evidence by its number. >> but here's -- i call this jury jwa now. jurors with attitude. if you read the questions, and i was practicing this a bit, i think every question has a little bit of attitude in it. why didn't you read the book of mormo mormon? why is it you remember when you lent him money but not when he lent you money? right? you testified that you heard his foot steps. why didn't you just run out of the house? and two more i like -- >> especially because he was naked. >> naked man is chasing you. where do you go? outside. this is a great one. how is it that you are so qualm calm in those tv interviews. and the last one. why are the laws of attraction supposed to follow but not the law of chastity.

>> they were amazing. >> it's the attitude they're bringing in. >> she's back on the stand today and she'll answer more questions from the jury. >> they're submitting more questions. >> i think it's the great he issest part of the case. great stuff. thank you very much. remember you can watch the jodi arias trial this afternoon live on hln and also cnn.com. we stream that stuff, you know. and coming up, we have an exclusive for you, senator rand paul will join us live. rand paul will join us live. ranrand . \ live. [ anouncer ] ihop is in time square to compare new griddle-melts to your usual breakfast sandwich. a lot more flavor. [ anouncer ] ihop's new griddle melts... made fresh and hot! hand crafted just for you. it's like a sexy sandwich. [ anouncer ] compare new griddle melts yourself. just $4.99.

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i'm sure you've heard of mr. smith goes to washington, a wonderful story about the good old fashioned filibuster. up until now, people reading a dictionary, just an opportunity to stretch time out. but yesterday it was different. one mr. rand paul goes to washington did it the real thing and really did argue legitimate arts with just some water and some candy. trust me, this went on and on. starting at 11:37 yesterday, he started the filibuster conversation during this program and he ended it well after we'd

all gone to bed. joining me live now, senator rand paul from kentucky and dana bash, you're going to have to do the questions for me because i know the senator doesn't have an earpiece. but my first question that i would really hope could you ask is how is his voice. >> well, i can answer that question. i'll definitely ask him. i want to tell you and our viewers how this happened. i just came from talking to you on the affair and i walked downstairs and just the magic of being in the senate, i bumped into the senator and he was gracious enough to come and be on with us live. and the first question i asked you, how is your voice. >> the voice is recovering. and i think i lost a few pounds. so some advantages to not eating all day. though i was sneaking candy bars. there's a can candy drawer and if you go to the candy drawer, you can sneak around and get a candy bar. but i see you caught me with half of it in and out of my mouth. my wife said conditions you chew with your mouth closed. >> i want to ask you about the substance of the argument that you were making, but first i want to ask more about the

mechanics. just on a human level, people want to know how you stood there for 12 hours plus. >> well, it's not easy. my feet were hurting by the end of the day. you can't leave the floor and you can't sit down. so you can't use the restroom or do anything like that. >> and you were told -- >> it's sort of the rule that's known. the staff snows the rules better, so they gave me advice on what we can do. and there are staff in there that you can inform you what you can and can't do. and then people can ask a question, but there's a certain protocol or you lose the floor. and democrats will see if you make a mistake. it's hard to get floor and hard to get recognized when it's not a designated tile. most times the floor is controlled by the leadership. this just happened to be a time it wasn't. >> and you snuck up on both parties. did they know you were going to do this? >> no. in fact we didn't know we were

going to do it this way. it's an issue that we think it should be ease ti for the president to say, you know, what americans not engaged in combat in america cannot be targeted for killing. >> and again i'll get to the substance in one second, but one thing so fascinating was how organic it was and how it took on a life of its own. i'm not even sure if you realized that because you were there. on the internet. i was watching it for the first two, three hours. you were wloon. and then suddenly you had some of your more conservative compatriots and by midnight, you had a lot of people there. there was a hash tag stand with and and more and more people were tweeting get down there and help him. were you surprised? >> it is sort of a fascinating phenomenon. and when you're on the 234r50r, you're not allowed to use electronics and i had to keep talking. if you stop for more than a minute, you no longer hold the floor. i didn't have time to look at my phone which you're not supposed to do anyway. but then when senator cruz

started reading the tweets, i got a feeling that maybe this was bigger than -- all we knew is we believed in an issue, we wanted to talk about it, and that it's important that the president realize that he's restrained by the constitution, also. so we got talking about something we were interested in and you never know whether people are watching or not, but you want the issue to be big because we want the president to respond. and what we're hearing from the white house is they may respond to my question. and if they do, we're willing to let the brennan nomination to go forward. >> who did you hear from and what did they say? >> i don't have have the name of who, but somebody on my staff and other republican staff are talking to the white house. and i'm hoping there will be a response. i never really did you tell that had maybe the president and i are on the same page, but some things need to be explicit. and the one thing that i think needs to be explicit is that this drone killing or targeting program, that you can't target americans who aren't engaged in combat. we've never questioned that if you have a grenade launcher on your back and you're attacking

the capital, you can be killed without due process. i'm not against that. what i'm against is that if they think maybe for my political beliefs that i might be an anti-government person and i'm having dinner with somebody or maybe i e-mail a cousin of mine who lives in the middle east, that's not enough to be killed. that's enough to say let's make an accusation and you have a trial. that's the way our country works. i think the president believes in that, but he needs to be explicit. and we've asked the attorney general and they haven't been explicit, they have just talked about exceptions to the rule. we want to know what the rule is. are you going to kill americans in america who are not engaged in combat. >> because they have argued that they have given you an answer, but perhaps it's not the answer that you've been looking for. so when you say explicit, how explicit -- what's the answer you're looking for? >> the very specific question we're asking is does the president believe he has the authority to kill americans who are not engaged in combat in america with targeted drone strikes. and i think the answer is no. but they haven't given us that

answer. they've given us things like if planes are attacking the twin towers. we all believe that the military, republicans and democrats, that the military or anyone can repulse an active attack by an individual or military or plane or anything whether it's an american or not. what we're talking about is the drone program overseas now, often targets people who aren't engaged in combat. they're sitting at home in their house. and that's another debate for another day. but that's the kind of standard we're using overseas. and the president won't answer. he says, well, i might use it a standard that inside the country different than outside. which alarms us because it means he's already thinking of killing americans in the u.s.. >> one thing in the issue is it's made for strange bedfellows. you had a democrat standing with you, but you also don't have all conservatives with you. "wall street journal," which is known as a very prominent conservative editorial page, really took after you this morning saying that you had

great theater, but you're wrong on the issue. that the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else, what it can do under the laws of war is target an enemy combatant anywhere at any time including u.s. soil. >> the "wall street journal" is right on a lot of issues and they're wrong on this issue. the problem is if i call you an enemy combatant, how do we know if you are or aren't? that's just me calling you and accusing you of a crime. should there be enough power by any politician, republican or democrat, to just say you're an enemy combatant and a hell fire missile drops on your house? that's what they're saying. with every fiber of my body, i believe that's unconstitutional. if you're an american on our soil, people can't just accuse you. they're assuming the person knows you're guilty of that. but the way i see it is we have a lot of arab-americans who live in dearborn, michigan.

almost all of there are good american people. but let's say they have a cuousn in the middle east and they e-mail them. would you just drop bombs on people in dearborn and say we think he's associated with terrorism, he's an enemy combatant? that's a lot different than someone from a grenade launcher on their shoulder targeting americans. so i don't want that standard. imminent threat, no problem. if you're attacking -- but it has to be an imminent threat. the president obama said imminent doesn't have to be immediate. that's troublesome to me. if someone is attacking the capitol with a grenade launcher, that's an imminent threat. if someone is carrying a bomb this to a building that's it. assembly a bomb could be an immeant threi imminent threat. in our country if you're not involved actively in combat,

wouldn't you rather capture them and ask them questions about who they are talking to and investigate it? really it's about the belief that justice, innocence or guilt should be determined by a jury of your peers. that's what our soldiers are fighting for and to me it's disappointing that they're risking their lives to fight is for something that we're willing to give up. >> you talked for a long time and had a lot of things to say. one of the things that you said was you were talking about 9/11 and you were using the example of the hijackers. and you said that you thought maybe the hijackers were citizens. did you mean u.s. citizens? >> there were 19 hijackers, a lot were here on student visas. i'm almost positive i read somewhere, and it's hard to be authoritative when i'm not positive, you about i thought i read somewhere some had voting cards. and if you have a voting card, you would have to be a citizen. and i had never read that they were citizens, but i read somewhere the other day, so i may have misspoke, but i thought

i read somewhere that some of them had voting cards. and i don't know how they would have voting cards if they weren't citizens. >> let plea ask more of the personal questions here. we talked a little bit about the fact that you were eating on tv. eating in front of the senators. you ended it saying effectively that nature was calling. is that why you ended it? >> that and -- >> when you got to go, you got to go. >> 12 hours is a long time not to go to the restroom. so, yeah, it does limit you. and i asked how did strong thurman go 24 hours and there are stories that he was bending the rules a little bit. >> how? >> by leaving the floor very briefly. >> did you go -- when you went in at 11:47 a.m., did you say i'm going to be here until after midnight in. >> no. as i drove up in the morning, i was with a staff member and i said if we have a chance, why don't we maybe try to capture the floor to make our point.

we had no plan and i had the wrong shoes on, my feet were hurting the whole day. and we really didn't plan it out. we had thought about if -- that it is important enough that we would like to do it sometime, but the floor is controlled by the leadership and not often left open where someone can sort of capture the floor and begin to speak. so one of the reasons filibusters don't occur is because they carefully guard the floor from letting it happen. and it was left unguarded. >> i did notice that you had water there. i don't know if it was -- you were trying not drink it. >> yeah, i decided to drink very little water and have no caffeine. >> you clearly didn't need it. what happened when you left, did you go have a good meal? >> it was almost 2:00 in the morning. i went home. but there were a lot of supporters. my staff stayed. and really one of the most complimentary things i found was about 15 members from the u.s. house of representatives came over, i've never seen that happen before, it energized me and a lot of them said that it

energized the movement of people who really believe strongly in the constitution. >> and when you were on the floor and you were talking about the fact that strong thurman had the longest philly bus ffilibuf history, you didn't have in your mind try to beat that? >> no, and i didn't really know how long it would go on when i started. in some ways i had said early on if the president will respond, i'll stop now. and that's all we've been looking for is a clarification. we really think the president may not be too far away from us on this. but we're troubled by the fact that it's been hard to get the information and that when senator cruz asked eric hold every question, he had to ask them repeatedly is it constitutional or no are you saying you have the authority and he kept using words like it's not appropriate and the president used words like i don't intend to. but he did this on indefinite detention, too. he signed in to law that says you can detain a citizen without a trial. now he's arguing you can kill an american zint without a trial.

just saying you don't intend to, that i'm a good person, i'm not questioning his motive, but the reason we have laws is some day we may get somebody who won't respect and will use that law for bad purposes. >> and let's go back to where we started, you saying you have heard from the white house and you think that they might give you an answer that could satisfy you. >> i'm very hopeful. and i said i will get out of the way, let them vote, we won't have to stay here until saturday, all i'm looking for is clarification and i think eric holder's comments in the committee under a little bit of duress, but i think those comments were getting closer to our position. but i also don't think they will have to change their position. i just want them to clarify and make sure that americans know that when you're sitting in a cafe or sitting in a restaurant, you will not be targeted by the american government. >> nsenator, thank you. appreciate it. this is maybe a situation of you being in the wrong place at the wrong time, i bumped into you outside.

thank you very much. i think that you might have a question. >> i do. don't let him go. you'll have to do the translation. but i am so interested in this issue because it sounds like the senator and eric holder are on the same page about the cafe scenario and eric holder said, no, that's not what it's about. i would like you please to ask the senator the times square bomber who but for a bad trigger device could have blown up times square, if it there were a drone hovering there woorks th, wouldn imminent threat where we can e use -- >> to to clarify the concept of imminent threat, the times square bomber,s person almost blew up times square, would you consider that an imminent threat? >> yeah, anybody bringing a weapon to a place, assembly a weapon, using a weapon, that would be. and the reason we're so concerned about this is when you look at the drone strikes we're

doing oversea, cnn has probably had the unclassified pictures on tv, they're driving in car, walking on paths, at home, and so the thing is that's not a standard it that i think is acceptable here. because the question is here you would be accused of a crime and we determine whether or guilty or not. i know we can't take people to court in battlefields and overseas locations, so it will be different. but the thing is the president needs to be explicit that the standard they're using overseas, there's also been accusations they're doing signature strikes where they don't know the name of the person and they say we think there are bad people here and a line of trucks coming out or going in so they bomb a caravan. that is probably how al awlaki's son was killed is they didn't target him. >> do you really think they would do that potentially in the united states, just bomb a cara spra van? >> no, but what worries me when i ask the specific and direct

question, my job in the senate is to advise and consent. so i ask them these questions. it should be an easy answer. i've said all along it should be, no, obviously it would be unconstitutional to do signature strikes, to do targeted killing. but we are doing targeted killing and people not engaged in combat overseas. they may have proof that they were in combat yesterday or tomorrow, but that kind of standard can't happen in america. we can't say you were communicating with e-mail to somebody and we're just going to kill you. that's not the kind of standard we have in our country. and it's really important. and when barack obama was a senator, i think he would have been standing with me last night. i think he like senator widen would have come to the floor and supported me yesterday. i think he's either forgotten or needs to be more explicit in what his beliefs are because the barack obama of 2007 is not the barack obama who would not explicitly --

>> i'll play devil's advocate. maybe he's a barack obama who has a lot more information than do you about the threats to this country. >> the thing is that saying that i have some superior secret knowledge is why i'm allowed to kill americans without any kind of due process isn't good enough for me. >> any other questions? >> i want someone to give me a real good definition for imminent and i hope the parties will agree on what this definition will be. because it seems like the senator agreed with eric holder and the sirkts of the times square bomber that would be one circumstance of imminence where you could kill an american on american soil without a trial. call me crazy, but that's what it sounded like to me. dana bash and please give our regards to the senator. thank you. way to hustle. you work hard. thank you, senator. all right. so we'll move on. we have another case that has been making a lot of headlines. it's a police officer who is being accused of being a

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you're at the courthouse in new york city. i expected a lot longer defense than one day. if he's trying to prove that this was just silly talk and not actual planning. >> well, they certainly put a lot into that one day. i've got to tell you, it's a fascinating day in court today. it's closing argument day. you've got two lady lawyers battling against each other, female attorney for the prosecute, female attorney for the defense. and we heard two very different versionses of what really happened here. the prosecution says, hey, listen, as the government, we can stop something before it happens. the law does not require us to wait until he actually executes his plan. that's how the government started their closing argument. but in direct response, listen to this, this is what the defense attorney said. she said these are gal's words, i have a world in my mind and in that world i'm kidnapping women

and selling them to people interested in buying them. i just have a world in my mind. so the defense even in one day argued to this jury that this was just some sick dark fantasy that he never intended to kidnap anyone, to eat anyone, it was all in his mind. >> joey jackson, i understand that we can't be the thought poli police, however, i want to put up a few of the actions that go away from thought and actually show action. he accessed his police database to get information on some of the alleged targets. he met one of the alleged targets for lunch. he allegedly compiled a dossier of the women and he searched online of homemade chloroform. how is it that you can take those facts and still turn them into fantasy? >> here's what happens. from a prosecution's perspective, they will say it's part of a conspiracy and you

need what's caused an overt act. an argument in furtherance of that conspiracy so that you can complete it. and those there that you just laid out show those overt acts. so from the part of the prosecution, they're saying, aha, we got you. from a defense perspective, they're saying you need the act. it's a legal definition of saying you have to actually have acted. and it's not enough if it was only in his mind. so it's a fascinating argument, the jury is the tryer of fact, they'll determine who prevails. >> sunny, i have to wrap it up there, but really quick comment, is this going to come down to the battle of closing arguments or does it feel as though the jury has a lot more than what closing arguments can change? >> no, they are paying close attention to these closing arguments. i would say it is down to the battle of closing arguments. prosecution took about 40 minutes. defense took about 40 minutes. i suspect that if this jury gets this case after lunch, we could have a verdict today. >> oh, wow. that's a quick verdict watch. well, stay on it for us.

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four separate bills that aim to protect americans from gun violence while protecting gun ownership rights. they're all being vote order today by the senate judiciary committee. a bill to close the so-called gun show loophole has pretty wide support. the others are pushed by democrats and resisted by republican, thoul not all democrats are on board either. there is a bipartisan bill, though. it was just released yesterday. and it would beef up background checks by making more sellers actually do them, not necessarily by making more sellers do them, but by widening the field of buyers who would

actually fail them. this fail them. this bill will screen out people who have used insanity defenses in court and people involuntarily treated in mental hospitals, even if treated as outpatients. i'm joined by jeffrey toobin and from spartanburg, south carolina, terry lisles. i have been very fascinate d be by the bar you have to reach in any kind of mental care that you have had to undergo and where that bar is going to be danced around when it comes to any kind of bill that tells me i'm too dangerous to have a gun. do you feel you're getting any kind of direction? >> i do. i think there is a line being drawn. as far as i understand it, that line would exclude very few people. i mean, the number of people who raise insanity defenses in court is tiny. yes, i guess it's a good idea

not to allow those people to purchase guns. but i mean, the idea that's going to somehow protect large numbers of people seems very unlikely to me. same thing with involuntarily committed to mental institutions. yes, i guess it's good these people can't get guns, but i don't think anyone should think there are large numbers of people that are going to be prohibited from buying guns as a result of this law. >> the way you read proposed legislation, this is going to speak to a lot of people watching. someone who has had a bad year, a divorce, a death in the family and is terribly depressed and goes and sees a counselor of some kind and says, i feel suicidal, does that put them in a bracket that says they can't buy a gun anymore? >> not at all. i don't think people who are just getng ordinary psychiatric treatment for every

day problems would be covered by this bill at all. >> okay. >> and i think that's a good thing they're not covered by this bill because people should get help and shouldn't be discouraged from getting help because of possible future consequences down the line. >> that's the perfect question for terry. i have always wondered in your line of work when do you decide that the person who's come to you for counseling needs to be reported because he or she might be dangerous? >> well, as was mentioned in the legal side, there are ramifications of how to report and when to report and what we try to determine is someone situationally dangerous or psychologically dangerous? because situational danger can be anything. you can be in a bad situation in threat or danger and respond negatively, but i think the bill is going to talk more about who has that weapon and how do we determine that is going to be very, very tricky. as he just noted on the legal side, just because someone seeks

treatment or help doesn't necessarily mean they have an intent to harm someone, however, the gun is what's in the middle, so it's going to be tricky to put the law into place that protects the patient or person seeking help versus the person who could be dangerous with a weap weapon. >> terry and jeff toobin -- >> go ahead. >> the national rifle association supports this bill, so it's not surprising the number people excluded under this bill is very, very small. >> it's a good point to make and still a continuing story. thank you. up next, a story that might just outrage you because the pictures will be astounding. a man basically tossed into solitary and forgotten about and the dramatic transformation is nothing short of alarming. it's coming next. [ anouncer ] ihop is in time square to compare

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just train your live camera on the water and you get to see that from above. yikes. they're migrating south for the winter it turns out. two years in solitary confinement. could you imagine the toll? wow. that's the same man. steven slevin before and after his detention. he was thrown into a county jail in new mexico. the suspicious was drunk driving and receiving a stolen vehicle. he was never tried. his lawyer said he was just forgotten, abandoned and mistreated because he was m mentally ill. his complaints, he got bed sores, dental problems and decided to sue when he was let out and not for just a little bit. $22 million. ultimately ending up with $15 million, which makes this one of the largest federal civil rights awards for ama